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aschrijver
19h

Dear Founders,

When I joined the community on Feb 4 I was really triggered by the mission and vision of the CHT, fully agreed with the problem statement and the conveyed urgency to address it (landing page: “Why is this problem so urgent?”).

Also the website hints at a big plan being in the works to address these issues (from problem statement: “What we feel as addiction is part of something much bigger.”, “The whole system is vulnerable to manipulation.”, and in The Way Forward “In the future, we will look back at today as a turning point towards humane design…”

We are now almost 2 months on, have almost 1300 members who joined the cause, but there has been no follow-up communications from the founders on their future plans and roadmap! This notwithstanding that many members, including me, have asked for more clarity multiple times. This community currently is steerless, and I would think that that is not a good humane practice, sorry to say.

Two weeks ago I contacted Tristan Harris about this issue and he agreed with me (“Dear Arnold, thank you and you’re right. we should be chiming in.”). He also told me that the CHT is currently under-capacity and works very, very hard to organize, get things done, which I appreciate a great deal!!

But I think now is that time to chime in, as the confusion is growing as @patm accurately states in her response to my proposal to have Topic categories for this forum that reflect the core Humane Tech themes

As far as I can tell–and I have only read a few of the posts–we members don’t know why we are gathered here. (Some people seem to be running away from something, and others toward something; the collisions need to be recognized and sorted out.) Of course the obvious conclusion is that we are here to teach, collaborate, share. But as with defining the humane impulse, clarification and structure are needed.

What this community and forum direly needs is:

  1. Positioning on what constitutes Humane Tech and what are the core CHT themes
  2. Strategy to translate vision + mission to real action
  3. Steering so members don’t feel lost and to get them on the right track
  4. Tooling to follow-up on forum discussions in any productive way. This forum on its own does not cut it
  5. Organization so the forum is not just a long, messy list of posts that get forgotten over time
  6. Structure so we know where/how to add new content consistently and effectively

Founders, I know you share my concern, and hope you also understand why I am posting this in such direct manner :slight_smile:

Your member and moderator,

Arnold.

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Mjclarge
10h

Thank you founders and moderators!!

@Founders- say Hi and update us on your thoughts- even if they are not complete. Not everything in this world must be innovative, some of our most innovative ideas in life are simple statements of what is.

It’s a big weight, so don’t carry this alone- each of us are doing the best we can- putting one foot in front of the other.

We are together.

patm
10h

Excellent; many thanks for writing this!

peripatetic
8h

Yes it’s a pity as our heroes have assembled 1300 troops here, alas without guidance.

There are people in these forums who are incredibly talented and intelligent, leaders in their fields. Seems people here want some kind of humane tech revolution, but lack diretion and clarity. I have some experience in a real life revolution, and could step up to the task of helping to coordinate things.

We have spent enough time already on discussion and defining the problem. We now need to choose which aspects of the problem the community wants to focus on. I would say the next step is we need some kind of thread on deciding what the appropriate next steps for the community should be and how we as the community can get to work.

joe1
2h

The people here needs some direction and leadership. I remember the chatrooms long time ago the topics were more organized and not confusing. We need some real changes in here where different communities can share and participate to solve various problems besetting technology. Social media particularly is in a crossroad where privacy issues are concern. we must cease this moment. We may at long last gain some control of our data.

patm
34m

Want to underscore that your needs list is great. Many thanks for expressing these ideas so clearly.

patm
24m
peripatetic

Here is something I copied from Wikipedia while doing research for some writing:

Regarding “politics without principle”, Gandhi said having politics without truth(s) to justly dictate the action creates chaos, which ultimately leads to violence. Gandhi called these missteps “passive violence,” ‘which fuels the active violence of crime, rebellion, and war.’ He said, “We could work 'til doomsday to achieve peace and would get nowhere as long as we ignore passive violence in our world.”

We aren’t involved in politics in CHT, but some of Gandhi’s thinking applies to us. I think the main applicable idea is not having principles, ethics that justly dictate the action. We could try to construct a gentle but sweeping revolution guided by humanistic and ethical principles. Perhaps we need a manifesto?

Mpatapo-KnotBinding
1m
joe1

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